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RowlandCarson
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cadintosh printing problem

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Attachments :Thorsten - I have a problem printing from CADintosh. If I choose “all” from the print sub-menu all is fine, I can print the entire drawing on one sheet of paper. However, for some drawings I need to reproduce them at actual size, and in some cases this means they cover more than one sheet of paper.I have made model aircraft drawings over several years in CADintosh. I made the PDFs so that others could reproduce the model at the correct size, and you can see some of the sort of thing I’m talking about at:http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviatio ... loads.phpI recently re-visited one such drawing (not one of those published on my website) with the intention of making some small changes and then producing new PDFs. However, I have not been able to produce PDFs (or indeed paper prints) in the same manner. I attach a PDF for A4 size paper that I produced in 2013 to show what is wanted (and expected!).I checked that the scale for the area “main” is set to 1:1 but when I try to print that area I get the attached print dialogue (with the drawing in the background). You will see that it is trying to print on 25 sheets instead of the 4 I expected. The preview window shows page 7; the first 6 pages are completely blank. If I print that page alone it _does_ come out at the correct scaling. It appears that CADintosh is adding a large margin around the area when it tries to print it.Then I noticed the “multipage print” menu item and thought that might be the answer. I chose that and then got a dialogue asking if I was sure I wanted to print 48 pages with cutting marks. I clicked OK, thinking that I could choose a PDF output which would be quicker and less wasteful for diagnosis. However, there was no further dialogue and printing commenced immediately, on the last printer I had used. I let it run to see what the output would be like. Amazingly, I got 48 sheets with cutting marks on each, but NOTHING ELSE printed on any sheet!Am I doing something wrong? If not, what can be done to address the problem and get back to the behaviour I had back in 2013?Environment:OS X 10.9.5CADintosh 8.1.5 (build 268)Please get back to me if more information is needed to diagnose the problem.in friendshipRowland: Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...: <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk: Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson: pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson
Al Szymanski
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Re: cadintosh printing problem

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I am going to step into the fray and ask rather than assume.I also ran into some early issues with printing full scale ( printing layouts for harp strings - have to be within 1/100” ).My steps were as follows:Create the page size first using Page Setup, then Custom for the size paper that my local firm can handle.Then File, Area, Select Area with Page. This will give you a ‘background’ to draw within. This background can be moved around.Do the drawing, then Print, selecting the page background you want to print - never All. Then send it to PDF if you don’t use CUPS.Following this has allowed me to accurately product 48” x 96” drawings with an error of about 0.02 using my local shop. I always put in a “ruler” in my drawing so that I can check scale.AlOn Feb 23, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Rowland Carson rowlandcarson@gmail.com [cadintoshmac] <cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thorsten - I have a problem printing from CADintosh. If I choose “all” from the print sub-menu all is fine, I can print the entire drawing on one sheet of paper. However, for some drawings I need to reproduce them at actual size, and in some cases this means they cover more than one sheet of paper.I have made model aircraft drawings over several years in CADintosh. I made the PDFs so that others could reproduce the model at the correct size, and you can see some of the sort of thing I’m talking about at:http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviatio ... loads.phpI recently re-visited one such drawing (not one of those published on my website) with the intention of making some small changes and then producing new PDFs. However, I have not been able to produce PDFs (or indeed paper prints) in the same manner. I attach a PDF for A4 size paper that I produced in 2013 to show what is wanted (and expected!).I checked that the scale for the area “main” is set to 1:1 but when I try to print that area I get the attached print dialogue (with the drawing in the background). You will see that it is trying to print on 25 sheets instead of the 4 I expected. The preview window shows page 7; the first 6 pages are completely blank. If I print that page alone it _does_ come out at the correct scaling. It appears that CADintosh is adding a large margin around the area when it tries to print it.Then I noticed the “multipage print” menu item and thought that might be the answer. I chose that and then got a dialogue asking if I was sure I wanted to print 48 pages with cutting marks. I clicked OK, thinking that I could choose a PDF output which would be quicker and less wasteful for diagnosis. However, there was no further dialogue and printing commenced immediately, on the last printer I had used. I let it run to see what the output would be like. Amazingly, I got 48 sheets with cutting marks on each, but NOTHING ELSE printed on any sheet!Am I doing something wrong? If not, what can be done to address the problem and get back to the behaviour I had back in 2013?Environment:OS X 10.9.5CADintosh 8.1.5 (build 268)Please get back to me if more information is needed to diagnose the problem.in friendshipRowland: Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...: <rowlandcarson@gmail.comhttp://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk: Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson: pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcars ... df><Screen Shot 2016-02-23 at 18.23.00.png>
thorstenlemke
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Re: cadintosh printing problem

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Hello,please use the print define area to define the area.Now adjust the scale of the area and print that one.Print all is the quick way which prints at 1:1 scale.Thorsten Thorsten - I have a problem printing from CADintosh. If I choose “all” from the print sub-menu all is fine, I can print the entire drawing on one sheet of paper. However, for some drawings I need to reproduce them at actual size, and in some cases this means they cover more than one sheet of paper.I have made model aircraft drawings over several years in CADintosh. I made the PDFs so that others could reproduce the model at the correct size, and you can see some of the sort of thing I’m talking about at:http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviatio ... loads.phpI recently re-visited one such drawing (not one of those published on my website) with the intention of making some small changes and then producing new PDFs. However, I have not been able to produce PDFs (or indeed paper prints) in the same manner. I attach a PDF for A4 size paper that I produced in 2013 to show what is wanted (and expected!).I checked that the scale for the area “main” is set to 1:1 but when I try to print that area I get the attached print dialogue (with the drawing in the background). You will see that it is trying to print on 25 sheets instead of the 4 I expected. The preview window shows page 7; the first 6 pages are completely blank. If I print that page alone it _does_ come out at the correct scaling. It appears that CADintosh is adding a large margin around the area when it tries to print it.Then I noticed the “multipage print” menu item and thought that might be the answer. I chose that and then got a dialogue asking if I was sure I wanted to print 48 pages with cutting marks. I clicked OK, thinking that I could choose a PDF output which would be quicker and less wasteful for diagnosis. However, there was no further dialogue and printing commenced immediately, on the last printer I had used. I let it run to see what the output would be like. Amazingly, I got 48 sheets with cutting marks on each, but NOTHING ELSE printed on any sheet!Am I doing something wrong? If not, what can be done to address the problem and get back to the behaviour I had back in 2013?Environment:OS X 10.9.5CADintosh 8.1.5 (build 268)Please get back to me if more information is needed to diagnose the problem.in friendshipRowland
Al Szymanski
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Re: cadintosh printing problem

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Oh… and make dang sure that nothing, not even a ‘dot’ is elsewhere in the drawing - All looks for any stray bit and includes it in the pageout.On Feb 23, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Rowland Carson rowlandcarson@gmail.com [cadintoshmac] <cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thorsten - I have a problem printing from CADintosh. If I choose “all” from the print sub-menu all is fine, I can print the entire drawing on one sheet of paper. However, for some drawings I need to reproduce them at actual size, and in some cases this means they cover more than one sheet of paper.I have made model aircraft drawings over several years in CADintosh. I made the PDFs so that others could reproduce the model at the correct size, and you can see some of the sort of thing I’m talking about at:http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviatio ... loads.phpI recently re-visited one such drawing (not one of those published on my website) with the intention of making some small changes and then producing new PDFs. However, I have not been able to produce PDFs (or indeed paper prints) in the same manner. I attach a PDF for A4 size paper that I produced in 2013 to show what is wanted (and expected!).I checked that the scale for the area “main” is set to 1:1 but when I try to print that area I get the attached print dialogue (with the drawing in the background). You will see that it is trying to print on 25 sheets instead of the 4 I expected. The preview window shows page 7; the first 6 pages are completely blank. If I print that page alone it _does_ come out at the correct scaling. It appears that CADintosh is adding a large margin around the area when it tries to print it.Then I noticed the “multipage print” menu item and thought that might be the answer. I chose that and then got a dialogue asking if I was sure I wanted to print 48 pages with cutting marks. I clicked OK, thinking that I could choose a PDF output which would be quicker and less wasteful for diagnosis. However, there was no further dialogue and printing commenced immediately, on the last printer I had used. I let it run to see what the output would be like. Amazingly, I got 48 sheets with cutting marks on each, but NOTHING ELSE printed on any sheet!Am I doing something wrong? If not, what can be done to address the problem and get back to the behaviour I had back in 2013?Environment:OS X 10.9.5CADintosh 8.1.5 (build 268)Please get back to me if more information is needed to diagnose the problem.in friendshipRowland: Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...: <rowlandcarson@gmail.comhttp://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk: Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson: pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcars ... df><Screen Shot 2016-02-23 at 18.23.00.png>
RowlandCarson
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Re: cadintosh printing problem

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On 2016-02-23, at 19:37, Thorsten Lemke lemke@lemkesoft.de [cadintoshmac] <cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > please use the print define area to define the area.> Now adjust the scale of the area and print that one.> > Print all is the quick way which prints at 1:1 scale. Thorsten - thanks for your reply.I apologise that I didn’t realise my attachments would get striped off by the Yahoo! list server, so you couldn’t see my examples. I have created a folder you can see in my DropBox at:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x909yc4iffbn ... Fa?dl=0The file “A4_project1.pdf” is the example of my previous use of CADintosh in 2013 to produce a multi-page PDF at 1:1 scale with cutting guides.The file “Screen Shot 2016-02-23 at 18.23.00.png” is the screenshot of the print dialogue I get with the current CADintosh.The file "project 1 attempt.pdf” is the file that CADintosh now produces when I try to make a PDF of the area “main” from the same (slightly edited) file - 25 pages, mostly blank, and NO cutting marks!Now responding to your advice above, I don’t see a menu item “print define area” but I used the menu “area > select area with window” to define the area I want to print (called “main” in this case).I then use the menu item “area > edit area > main” to check that the scale is 1:1. After doing that (again) I still have the same problem.As a sanity check, I created a new file with a 50mm scale in it, and after setting the up area as above (same as for the problem file), I tried printing “all” and “main”. The PDF results are also included in the dropbox folder as “50mm scale print all.pdf” and “50mm scale print main.pdf”. The print main does indeed come out at 1:1 scale, but despite what you say above [Print all is the quick way which prints at 1:1 scale] the print all results in the entire drawing being re-scaled to fit the paper size. I don’t have any problem with this and it’s useful to be able to print the whole drawing on one sheet, I just disagree with the description of “1:1 scale”.Since this newly-created file works as I expect, I wonder if part of my problem is that the file I am working with started out life in an earlier version of CADintosh and the current version doesn’t like something about it. I have put a copy of the file (project 1.cadx) in the dropbox folder too. I’d appreciate feedback from Thorsten (or anyone else) on how the area “main” prints for you.Finally, it would be nice if the multipage print was a bit more user-friendly. It should at least allow the user to check which printer the output is to go to! Oh, and maybe actually print the drawing!in friendshipRowland: Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...: <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk: Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson: pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson
thorstenlemke
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Re: cadintosh printing problem

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Dear Rowland,please view our short tutorial movie:http://www.lemkesoft.org/help/Printing.movThorsten please use the print define area to define the area.Now adjust the scale of the area and print that one.Print all is the quick way which prints at 1:1 scale.
RowlandCarson
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Re: cadintosh printing problem

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On 2016-03-04, at 06:21, Thorsten Lemke lemke@lemkesoft.de [cadintoshmac] <cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > please view our short tutorial movie:> http://www.lemkesoft.org/help/Printing.mov Thorsten - thanks for your message. I have viewed the movie and note that it shows a way to print the whole drawing reduced onto a single sheet of A4. In passing, it seems a bit confusing to name your new area “all” as that causes 2 appearances of “all” in the “print” sub-menu. But, following your method gives much the same result irrespective of which “all” is chosen to print.As I mentioned in my original posting, I have no trouble printing a reduced copy of the drawing on one sheet of A4 (although I don’t bother to create a new area, I just print all).What I am trying to do is to print a drawing which is larger than A4 onto several sheets of A4 as a PDF, with cutting marks. Please review the appearance of the file “A4_project1.pdf” in the “CADintosh examples” folder of my dropbox at:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x909yc4iffbn ... a?dl=0That PDF shows what I did with CADintosh in a previous version. I notice that in fact the cutting marks on that PDF are not correct - if cut to those lines, parts of the drawing would be lost.I believe that because the file was created by a previous version of CADintosh and then opened by the latest version, there is something in the file that causes problems when printing with the latest version.To test this theory I created a new simple drawing in the current version of CADintosh (see “grid test.cadx” and “grid test all.pdf” in the dropbox folder) and found it it seemed to behave more rationally when I tried printing at actual size on multiple sheets - see the file “grid test main A4.pdf”. However, there are no cutting marks. It would be useful to have the option to turn cutting marks on or off for print jobs that cover more than one sheet (I’m sure I recall that option in a previous version of CADintosh).It appears I may have to completely re-draw my original drawing in the current version in order to be able to make multi-sheet, actual-size PDF prints from it - unless you can demonstrate that it is possible using the file “project 1.cadx” in my dropbox.in friendshipRowland: Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...: <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk: Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson: pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson
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