Best Way to Reduce File Size?

[Dale Dreher]

What is the best way to reduce JPG file size while keeping the maximum screen quality? Shall I reduce the Image size to say 1400 or 1200 or 1080 pixels high? Or is the Reduce to Maximum File Size option better? I don't want to loose image quality onscreen since my clients are very keen on quality. I used to reduce my file size by using the 760 or 820 maximum pixels high batch converstion but that is killing the image quality. I have seen JPG photos reduced from 14MB all the way down to like 450k and the quality difference is very minimal on screen. I just want to know how to do this with GCMAC. Is there a better way to reduce a JPG shot on DSLR that is say 14MB, down to a file size of around 600-900k for FTP uploading in bulk? This seems like such a simple question but I am not finding the answers. Any help much appreciated. Thank you. Dale. dale@hazardtown.com Los Angeles, CA

[Wayne Eligur]

I will say something about coded images which all are..In PREVIEW or GC8 in few years experiences - I have found if I care to notice when using 'quality of image' [ lowest medium or best] upon saving, that in the app's  slider - you notice moving it along slow... until a very slight 'bump'  'glitch' occurs  - at that point it indicated  optimal image size.In GC you can avoid use of 'calculate image size' , uncheck that - to speed it - and the little hitch 'loop' or 'subroutine' still tells when the image quality is optimal and the size too.So see if it works and if you are noticing what I am saying? From: Dale Dreher <dale@hazardtown.com> To: gcmac@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:52:38 PM Subject: [gcmac] Best Way to Reduce File Size?   What is the best way to reduce JPG file size while keeping the maximum screen quality? Shall I reduce the Image size to say 1400 or 1200 or 1080 pixels high? Or is the Reduce to Maximum File Size option better? I don't want to loose image quality onscreen since my clients are very keen on quality. I used to reduce my file size by using the 760 or 820 maximum pixels high batch converstion but that is killing the image quality. I have seen JPG photos reduced from 14MB all the way down to like 450k and the quality difference is very minimal on screen. I just want to know how to do this with GCMAC. Is there a better way to reduce a JPG shot on DSLR that is say 14MB, down to a file size of around 600-900k for FTP uploading in bulk? This seems like such a simple question but I am not finding the answers. Any help much appreciated. Thank you. 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[Mike Bauers]

I hope I'm using the best way........ In most cases I leave the size of the image as it is, and reduce the jpg quality setting to 70-80 percent. You'll see a noticeable quality drop if you go below 60-percent. The file size will shrink a lot at 70-80 percent and usually look just fine. I suppose if its an image that is larger than your screen pixel count, reducing it to that size as well will also drop the size to some degree. But not everyone has the same size screen as you, no matter what you have. But you post this is for your clients........ I'd use a reduced file size image as a sampler and still maintain the original as the best quality to present to your clients. No matter how you reduce the image size or the file size of a .jpg, you will have lower quality than the original image. I would further suggest you convert an image to a loss-free format like a .tif or .bmp and see if you can reduce that with no visible loss of quality. Jpg's are designed to be a generally lossy format that loses quality just by the act of saving it within a program you have put it into. You want to constantly pull in the original image and not save it in a way that replaces the original, to preserve it. You may already know this. I suggest write-protecting any .jpg you wish to keep as an original. That way you won't accidentally write over it with a later generation of the same image. What most very serious photographers I know, do, is to shoot in a .tif or similar non-lossy format. The files are huge and you edit them into more compact formats with your computer. You might need to add 2-6 TB of hard drives to your computer over time. But a 2TB drive is about $80 today and I bought a 3-Tb external for about $105 some months ago. The prices make it worthwhile to do so. Best to ya... Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi, USA On Nov 24, 2013, at 8:52 PM, "Dale Dreher" <dale@hazardtown.com> wrote: > What is the best way to reduce JPG file size while keeping the maximum screen quality? > > Shall I reduce the Image size to say 1400 or 1200 or 1080 pixels high? Or is the Reduce to Maximum File Size option better? I don't want to loose image quality onscreen since my clients are very keen on quality. I used to reduce my file size by using the 760 or 820 maximum pixels high batch converstion but that is killing the image quality. > > I have seen JPG photos reduced from 14MB all the way down to like 450k and the quality difference is very minimal on screen. I just want to know how to do this with GCMAC. > > Is there a better way to reduce a JPG shot on DSLR that is say 14MB, down to a file size of around 600-900k for FTP uploading in bulk? > > This seems like such a simple question but I am not finding the answers. > > Any help much appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Dale. > dale@hazardtown.com > Los Angeles, CA > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > >

[Tony Jackson]

Hi Mike, Dal, >I suppose if its an image that is larger than your screen pixel >count, reducing it to that size as well will also drop the size to >some degree. But not everyone has the same size screen as you, no >matter what you have. And for screens with varying pixel-count I guess that you risk unpredictable quality if your pixel count is no appreciably greater than the screen count. >I'd use a reduced file size image as a sampler and still maintain >the original as the best quality to present to your clients. No >matter how you reduce the image size or the file size of a .jpg, you >will have lower quality than the original image. Just so. I have for some years been making some service manuals from the 1970's available free on the internet, and I scan them in Tiff, then work on them in .png. Png reduces file size losslessly, so I'm able to keep all the information in an image, but store appreciably smaller files. When I've finished work on a page I save it by converting it to a .pdf. I find that, at least for the files I'm working with, files generated by Acrobat by dragging a .png onto them seem to get the smallest resultant files. If you are able to get your head around it, fiddling with Acrobat Distiller will give you more control over the compression. But I keep the .png working files, in case I need to do further work. Thus I have a smaller volume of data to store than if I were storing them in the original scanned format, but I lose no information. Best, T. -- Tony Jackson, Devon, UK.

[thorstenlemke]

Dear Dale,many thanks for your e-mail.So, first make a manual try.Open a source file.Use Picture/Size/Scale and Scale the image to the requested pixel size.Now select Save as.Select JPEG as format.Click on options.Adjust the quality and watch the file size display. So, you find the best quality to reach your file size.Now you can use the batch conversion.Add a scale batch with your size.Select the source files.Select the destination folder.Select jpeg as format with your settings.ConvertThorsten On 25.11.2013, at 03:52, Dale Dreher <dale@hazardtown.com> wrote: What is the best way to reduce JPG file size while keeping the maximum screen quality?Shall I reduce the Image size to say 1400 or 1200 or 1080 pixels high? Or is the Reduce to Maximum File Size option better? I don't want to loose image quality onscreen since my clients are very keen on quality. I used to reduce my file size by using the 760 or 820 maximum pixels high batch converstion but that is killing the image quality.I have seen JPG photos reduced from 14MB all the way down to like 450k and the quality difference is very minimal on screen. I just want to know how to do this with GCMAC.Is there a better way to reduce a JPG shot on DSLR that is say 14MB, down to a file size of around 600-900k for FTP uploading in bulk?This seems like such a simple question but I am not finding the answers.Any help much appreciated.Thank you.Dale.dale@hazardtown.comLos Angeles, CA

[Dale Dreher]

I will experiment with the suggested work flows.Thank You Thorsten, Tony, Mike and Wayne for the ideas and work flow suggestions to try.I realize there needs to be some experimentation, trial and error, I know my old method does not work anymore just saving to 760 file height, too much quality loss that way with all the higher pixel height monitors these days.There are other things that are new or hard for me to understand so far like  "Rotating LossLess" and "Progessive" "Dithering" and someday I will find a way to learn about those things.  I am not a graphics guy, I am a simple location photographer, so I will use Thorsten's method for now.  I do use Lightroom a little and will be studying that much more.  I know that some people keep the original files no matter what, I don't, I overwrite my originals, life's too short and I don't like duplicate files on my computer, I don't photograph People or weddings, just Buildings mostly so I can always go Shoot It Again if I really have to.  My clients see my reduced file size work online, that's why I need reduced file size solutions that are quality.   I'll experiment.  If anyone finds any video tutorials that explain simply this process or helps one to understand image reduction and resolution, please do share. Happy Thanks Giving!Dale. On Nov 25, 2013, at 4:16 AM, Thorsten Lemke <lemke@lemkesoft.de> wrote:   Dear Dale,many thanks for your e-mail.So, first make a manual try.Open a source file.Use Picture/Size/Scale and Scale the image to the requested pixel size.Now select Save as.Select JPEG as format.Click on options.Adjust the quality and watch the file size display. So, you find the best quality to reach your file size.Now you can use the batch conversion.Add a scale batch with your size.Select the source files.Select the destination folder.Select jpeg as format with your settings.ConvertThorsten On 25.11.2013, at 03:52, Dale Dreher <dale@hazardtown.com> wrote:What is the best way to reduce JPG file size while keeping the maximum screen quality?Shall I reduce the Image size to say 1400 or 1200 or 1080 pixels high? Or is the Reduce to Maximum File Size option better? I don't want to loose image quality onscreen since my clients are very keen on quality. I used to reduce my file size by using the 760 or 820 maximum pixels high batch converstion but that is killing the image quality.I have seen JPG photos reduced from 14MB all the way down to like 450k and the quality difference is very minimal on screen. I just want to know how to do this with GCMAC.Is there a better way to reduce a JPG shot on DSLR that is say 14MB, down to a file size of around 600-900k for FTP uploading in bulk?This seems like such a simple question but I am not finding the answers.Any help much appreciated.Thank you.Dale.dale@hazardtown.comLos Angeles, CA

[teegate]

When cropping in an older version of GC the window would then default to full size, but with this new version it goes to 50 percent. I have compared settings and they are similar. Even when changing the settings I still can't get the cropped photo to either fill the screen or go to 100 percent. Any idea's?Guy

[Robert Poland]

On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:30 AM, <teegate@comcast.net> <teegate@comcast.net> wrote: > When cropping in an older version of GC the window would then default to full size, but with this new version it goes to 50 percent. I have compared settings and they are similar. Even when changing the settings I still can't get the cropped photo to either fill the screen or go to 100 percent. Any idea's? > > > Guy Are you using the shortcut keys; View to maximum size - Command + "0" (number 0) View as 100% - Command + “=" Robert Poland - Fort Collins, CO

[thorstenlemke]

Hi Guy,prefs part general/window content. Set the popup to always 100%.ThorstenOn 28.11.2013, at 19:30, <teegate@comcast.net> <teegate@comcast.net> wrote: When cropping in an older version of GC the window would then default to full size, but with this new version it goes to 50 percent. I have compared settings and they are similar. Even when changing the settings I still can't get the cropped photo to either fill the screen or go to 100 percent. Any idea's?Guy

[teegate]

Thank you. However, it still is not working properly. Let me explain this in more detail. Using version 6.7.4 in the "General Preferences/Display Content" I have it set to "Shrink to fit screen" and "Fit to window after resizing." When I open a photo it properly fits the screen. If I crop the photo it will either shrink to fit the screen if the cropped image is bigger than the screen, or go to 100 percent if the photo is smaller than the screen. This is how I want it to work and it works properly. When using  8.8.3 if I set it to either "Shrink to fit screen," or "Always use 100 percent,"  and have "Fit image to window" checked, this is what happens. The photo opens properly fitting the screen, and when I crop it the photo does not fit the screen or go to 100 percent as the settings say it should. The image will be much smaller than the screen and show that it is less than 100 percent. If you are interested here is a screen recording of the 8.8.2 version set at "Always use 100 percent." Notice after cropping it does not fit the screen or go to 100 percent. This works the same way even when it is set to "Shrink to fit screen." http://home.comcast.net/~teegate/GC.mov Guy  ---In gcmac@yahoogroups.com, <lemke@...> wrote:Hi Guy,prefs part general/window content. Set the popup to always 100%.ThorstenOn 28.11.2013, at 19:30, <teegate@...> <teegate@...> wrote: When cropping in an older version of GC the window would then default to full size, but with this new version it goes to 50 percent. I have compared settings and they are similar. Even when changing the settings I still can't get the cropped photo to either fill the screen or go to 100 percent. Any idea's?Guy