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[Frank Taylor]

Is there any way to prevent receiving all of the graphic advertisements from Yahoo that are contained in some of the messages to this group? They Are VERY annoying. Frank Taylor

[Alastair Cutting]

Isn't that the price for having a 'free' Yahoo address, and 'free' opportunity to subscribe to groups such as these? Alastair On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 06:16 pm, Frank Taylor wrote: >    Is there any way to prevent receiving all of the  graphic > advertisements from Yahoo that are contained in some of the messages > to this group? They Are VERY annoying. > > Frank Taylor >

[George Slusher]

> Is there any way to prevent receiving all of the graphic >advertisements from Yahoo that are contained in some of the messages >to this group? They Are VERY annoying. > >Frank Taylor > 3 options: 1) You can choose to not get HTML messages. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/ You may have to sign in. You can also go to your "My Yahoo" page (if you have one) and click on "My groups," if that is shown. (It's hard to know just what is shown on someone's "My Yahoo" page, as there are many "modules" and options.) Once you sign in, if you need to, you should see a list of your Yahoo groups on the left. Click on graphicconverterforum. On the page that shows up, click on "Edit my membership"--should be on the right side. That will give you a page with several options. You can choose to get a daily digest or individual emails and whether or not to get HTML. Choose > Do not convert to HTML.  Don't change the format of messages sent to me. >  Note: The HTML format allow you to see colors and graphics in your messages. You'll still get text links to advertisers at the bottom of the messages, but you shouldn't get graphics. 2) Some email clients also have an option to not display HTML. Choose that option. Some, like PowerMail, allow you to display the HTML formatting, but NOT get images or anything else--IOW, it shows only what is contained within the message, not any files that are linked to. 3) Don't view the email while you're online. The images don't come with the message-they are "src" links just like on a web page. If you're not online, your email client can't get the images. (That obviously won't work if you use a cable modem, DSL, or other "always-online" connection.) In general, it's a good idea to not display HTML or, at least, to do as PowerMail allows and not allow the email program to open any connections outside your local computer. At the very least, just viewing HTML can cause your browser or email program to send your email address to a spammer. It's also a good idea to turn off any HTML or "rich text" (sometimes used incorrectly to mean HTML) options in your outgoing messages unless really needed. See: Mac OS X Mail: How HTML Email Messages Relate to Unsolicited Commercial Email ("spam") http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107401 - To see how to turn off HTML rendering in OS X Mail: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107400 Friends Don't E-Mail Friends HTML http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41639,00.html 7 reasons why HTML email is a bad thing http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_em ... evil.shtml HTML Formatted E-mail Issues http://www.admin.mtu.edu/sas/docs/HTMLBad.html George Slusher/Eugene, OR gslusher@rio.com

[Frank Taylor]

Re: [graphicconverterforum] advertisements I don't have a Yahoo address, I only subscribe to this list. Isn't that the price for having a 'free' Yahoo address, and 'free' opportunity to subscribe to groups such as these? Alastair On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 06:16  pm, Frank Taylor wrote:    Is there any way to prevent receiving all of the  graphic advertisements from Yahoo that are contained in some of the messages to this group? They Are VERY annoying. Frank Taylor

[Frank Taylor]

I can't sign in because I have no Yahoo account. Therefore I can't choose not to receive HTML with this group's messages. I am well aware (I have been for years now) how to prevent Eudora from displaying attachments - I just don't want them in a user forum like this. Shameless plugs and ads are not acceptable in this type of user group. > > Is there any way to prevent receiving all of the graphic >>advertisements from Yahoo that are contained in some of the messages >>to this group? They Are VERY annoying. >> >>Frank Taylor >> > >3 options: > > >1) You can choose to not get HTML messages. Go to > >http://groups.yahoo.com/ > >You may have to sign in. You can also go to your "My Yahoo" page (if you >have one) and click on "My groups," if that is shown. (It's hard to know >just what is shown on someone's "My Yahoo" page, as there are many >"modules" and options.) > >Once you sign in, if you need to, you should see a list of your Yahoo >groups on the left. Click on graphicconverterforum. On the page that >shows up, click on "Edit my membership"--should be on the right side. >That will give you a page with several options. You can choose to get a >daily digest or individual emails and whether or not to get HTML. Choose > >> Do not convert to HTML. Don't change the format of messages >>sent to me. >> Note: The HTML format allow you to see colors and graphics in >>your messages. > >You'll still get text links to advertisers at the bottom of the messages, >but you shouldn't get graphics. > > > >2) Some email clients also have an option to not display HTML. Choose >that option. Some, like PowerMail, allow you to display the HTML >formatting, but NOT get images or anything else--IOW, it shows only what >is contained within the message, not any files that are linked to. > > >3) Don't view the email while you're online. The images don't come with >the message-they are "src" links just like on a web page. If you're not >online, your email client can't get the images. (That obviously won't >work if you use a cable modem, DSL, or other "always-online" connection.) > >In general, it's a good idea to not display HTML or, at least, to do as >PowerMail allows and not allow the email program to open any connections >outside your local computer. At the very least, just viewing HTML can >cause your browser or email program to send your email address to a >spammer. It's also a good idea to turn off any HTML or "rich text" >(sometimes used incorrectly to mean HTML) options in your outgoing >messages unless really needed. > >See: > >Mac OS X Mail: How HTML Email Messages Relate to Unsolicited Commercial >Email ("spam") > >http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107401 > > - To see how to turn off HTML rendering in OS X Mail: > >http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107400 > > >Friends Don't E-Mail Friends HTML > >http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41639,00.html > > >7 reasons why HTML email is a bad thing > >http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_em ... evil.shtml > > >HTML Formatted E-mail Issues > >http://www.admin.mtu.edu/sas/docs/HTMLBad.html > > >George Slusher/Eugene, OR >gslusher@rio.com > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >graphicconverterforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[David Kelly]

On Sunday 22 June 2003 12:16 pm, Frank Taylor wrote: > Is there any way to prevent receiving all of the graphic > advertisements from Yahoo that are contained in some of the messages > to this group? They Are VERY annoying. Vist http://groups.yahoo.com/group/graphicco ... ?referer=1 and near the bottom uncheck "Convert to HTML" in favor of "Do not convert to HTML". As to why anyone would tolerate HTML email is beyond me. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.

[George Slusher]

>I can't sign in because I have no Yahoo account. Therefore I can't >choose not to receive HTML with this group's messages. You can create one in a few minutes. > I am well aware (I have been for years now) how to prevent Eudora >from displaying attachments - These are NOT "attachments." They do NOT come with the email messages. Instead, they are accessed fromt the by your email client when it views the HTML message. It's just like a web page. >I just don't want them in a user forum >like this. Shameless plugs and ads are not acceptable in this type of >user group. Would you be willing to pay to access the group? $10/year, perhaps? Hosting an e-list, especially a participatory list (versus an "announcement-only" list) costs money. It requires software, time and space on a server, email access, and maintenance (tracking subscriptions & options, for example). Some ways that email lists are paid for: 1) Hosting is "free" through yahoo.com or some similar company, in exchange for ads. There are major advantages to this from the list owner's standpoint--yahoo provides the software, archives all the messages, provides space to upload files, handles all subscriber issues, and more. This is why there are literally thousands of yahoo groups. 2) Access is by paid subscription. This may be combined with a magazine subscription or organizational membership. 3) Hosting is through an educational institution or not-for-profit organization. (That was the first and, for a time, the only way to host an e-list.) That requires some connection with the educational institution and may require payment, as well. Some educational institutions have been cancelling lists that are not directly related to their programs. This is seldom an option for a list devoted to specific software. 4) Hosting is paid for by a software developer, hardware manufacturer, website owner, etc. The PowerMail list is an example. The cost of hosting thus comes out of the developer's/manufacturer's pocket. Some of these are also sponsored by advertisers (e.g., iBook list, GBook list). That would raise the cost to the developer, which would probably have to be reflected in higher prices for the products. Thorsten Lemke has upgraded Graphic Converter many times since I first started using it in 1993. He has charged an "upgrade" fee only ONCE. Compare that to just about any commercial software and even much shareware. IMO, it would be inappropriate to ask him to pay for this list when there is a free alternative. George Slusher/Eugene, OR gslusher@rio.com

[Eric B. Richardson, MD]

At 5:58 PM -0700 6/22/03, George Slusher wrote: > > > I am well aware (I have been for years now) how to prevent Eudora >>from displaying attachments - BTW, you can also prevent Eudora from displaying HTML, which is not a bad idea anyway, since spammers now know how to use the mail programs that utilize HTML to send them back a message that theirs arrived in your box when it decodes the HTML. The option is in the settings panel for Fonts and Displays, uncheck the one marked auto download HTML graphics. There may be another setting, but basically, all I see is the HTML code if I get an HTML email, and then if I decide that I want to view it, I can open it in my browser. This is in Eudora 5.2. Eric

[David Kelly]

On Sunday 22 June 2003 07:58 pm, George Slusher wrote: > > > I am well aware (I have been for years now) how to prevent Eudora > >from displaying attachments - > > These are NOT "attachments." They do NOT come with the email > messages. Instead, they are accessed fromt the by your email client > when it views the HTML message. It's just like a web page. Any other responsible email application which is capable of displaying HTML formatted email should also be able to block downloads of references contained in HTML. I know Eudora and Mail.app have these options. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.

[David Kelly]

On Sunday 22 June 2003 08:35 pm, Eric B. Richardson, MD wrote: > > BTW, you can also prevent Eudora from displaying HTML, which is not a > bad idea anyway, since spammers now know how to use the mail programs > that utilize HTML to send them back a message that theirs arrived in > your box when it decodes the HTML. They do that by embedding a unique href. You download the matching image when you "view" the message. They know they have found a live one. As I said a moment ago in another reply, better email clients offer a switch to disable the downloads from html messages. As Eric points out they also allow you to disable HTML rendering. HTML formatted email is best discarded with spam. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.